Episode #022 How to Become your own Best Friend with Guest Zeenat Ahmed-Peto

Midlife is often a time of shifting friendships. But there is one friendship that it’s all too easy to let slide at this pivotal time. It’s a friendship we just don’t focus on enough – and one it’s vital we nurture. The one with ourself.

So join your Host Kate Porter The Midlife Metamorphosis Coach® and her Guest Zeenat Ahmed-Peto, multi-award winning Holistic Cognitive Hypnotherapist and best-selling author of Too Kind – The Survival Guide for Sensitive Souls,  as they talk about How to Become your own Best Friend as a Midlife Woman.

We can spend so much time worrying about what others think of us, trying to win their approval, that we sacrifice our own self-worth and lose sight of who we really are. Right now.

In this episode, Zeenat explains how her journey of bereavement, burnout and marriage breakdown empowered her to turn what she perceived as her weakness of being too sensitive into her superpower.

Zeenat and Kate share inspiration on how they learned to love themselves in their gloriously perfect imperfection. And they discuss Zeenat’s insights for how to become your own best friend – from embracing your natural gifts, to dating yourself.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:02

Welcome to Midlife Unlimited, the podcast for women who want more. I'm your host, Kate Porter, the midlife metamorphosis coach, and I know what it's like to feel stuck navigating the midlife maze. I've looked in the mirror and thought, who is that woman? So Midlife Unlimited is here to let you know you are not alone. You don't have to put on a brave face and put up with it. You don't have to play it safe. Midlife Unlimited is all about ripping off that mask and telling midlife how it really is. Smashing stereotypes, busting myths and misbehaving. Because our second spring is our time to shine our way. So welcome to today's episode. Now, I talk a lot about shifting friendships in midlife. But there's one friendship that it's all too easy to let slide at this pivotal time in our lives. It's a friendship that we just don't focus on enough and one that it's vital we nurture because it's the most important relationship in our life, the one with ourself. So I'm delighted to be joined by my guest, Zeenat Ahmed-Pito, multi-award winning holistic cognitive hypnotherapist and best-selling author of Two Kind, The Survival Guide for Sensitive Souls, which is a beautiful book. And she's a beautiful person. So I am delighted to welcome Zeenat to talk about how to become your own best friend. Welcome, Zeenat. Hello, Kate. Thank you so much for having me. It's my absolute pleasure. Now, I know this is a subject we're both really passionate about because I hear the phrase, you hear the phrase, we've said the phrase, who am I? And the women I work with, I so often hear them, I don't even know myself, let alone like or love myself. And it's tough, isn't it? It's not an easy thing, getting to know yourself.

SPEAKER_00: 2:13

It's not an easy thing. I think, you know, we go through so many different things over the years and there may be times when you look back at the 20 year old and that, you know, you sometimes get stuck in that place in your 20s or your 30s or whatever age. But most of us want to move forward and move forward, getting to experience life as it is now in this phase of our life. So You know, it's about knowing who we were, but also knowing who we are now and the things that bring us joy in this time in our life.

SPEAKER_02: 2:50

Absolutely. And I know there's so much talk about self-love and filling our own cup first. But again, if we've lost sight of what's important to us, if we've lost sight of our values, if we don't take time to take stock, the whole idea of falling in love with ourselves, even our perfect imperfection can seem like pie in the sky. It can be like, oh, well, that's all very well because we're spending so much time worrying about whether other people like us or trying to win other people's approval or wanting to be judged in a positive light, we're sacrificing our own self-worth, aren't we?

SPEAKER_00: 3:29

I think so. I think worrying about other people, I always think is, you know, it's one of those things that we've all fallen foul of, but we know that it's not really worth it. What I have realised working with clients is that You know, they're so deep in their problem that they can't they don't have the energy to think about what anybody else is doing. You know, they're just navigating their own path. And that made me realize that no one really cares what I'm doing. They care about what they're doing. And really, it's up to me to make the best of my life and, you know, wish people well. And if you find that people are, you know, looking at what they're doing is bothering you and it's upsetting you, then it's very very good idea to just not follow them or not look at what they're doing, if that's causing you some kind of distress or upset or anything. And I think it's just a good habit to focus on your things and to follow people that make you feel good and to just not look at things if it doesn't make you feel good in a way, you know. I

SPEAKER_02: 4:41

couldn't agree more because it is that whole idea of, and I know there's a lot of talk at the moment about the whole let them, but it is, it's letting go and free from guilt, free from that need to explain why we're doing it. If it doesn't align with us, if it doesn't light us up, if it's draining us, if it's bringing us down, it's perfectly okay to walk away. We've not failed. It just run its course. And now in midlife is a brilliant time to take stock. And I know when we were talking before, because I always, with each of my guests, I like to have a little brainstorm because I'm not about throwing anyone in at the deep end. And I think it's a really, I mean, Zina and I have known each other for a while, but some of my guests I've not met in the flesh. And I think it is a good way to just get each other more and make sure that this conversation actually flows in a warm and fabulous way. But we were talking about the messages that we tell ourselves that can date back to childhood. And I know, obviously, we were just talking about self-worth and feelings of not good enough, maybe, or, oh, you're rubbish at this. But there was one phrase that that you heard again and again and have told yourself again and again. And that word is sensitive.

UNKNOWN: 6:05

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00: 6:05

Absolutely. You're too sensitive. That's something I heard a lot as a child. And, you know, growing up, I just got the sense that being sensitive was not a good thing, that I was too, too soft. I was not robust enough. And because I felt things so deeply, I felt that everything had to be, you know, just perfect. It was just very difficult. hard to move away from that and make that into a positive. Now I've understood that that sensitivity is what gives me the things about me that are good about me come very much from that sensitive place. So I've decided to use it as my power as opposed to something that would hold me back.

SPEAKER_02: 6:53

I love that. And later on in the episode, I'm delighted that you're going to be sharing your three lessons learned on this journey because it is a real transformation journey. And I know the word journey is used a lot, but I haven't come up with a different word yet. So we're sticking with journey. But before that, though, it would be great if you could share some more of your story because you've had a rocky road,

SPEAKER_00: 7:17

haven't you? Well, it's interesting you say that because when I look back, I just see, you know, a few points in my life which were quite challenging. But I would say on the whole, for me, it feels like I've had a really lovely, warm life. But I suppose that's about the way you look at something that's happened in the past. When I was in it, I probably didn't think that. Well, I definitely didn't think that. So I suppose the first... You know, I had a very happy childhood, lovely family and everything. And I was very, very blessed with that. And I think that's given me very strong foundations, you know, in sort of about the world and how it operates and how you trust people. But when I was 19, sadly, my father passed away. Suddenly had a heart attack. So that was the first time I couldn't trust something to just be there or somebody to be there. And anyone who's worked with trauma or therapy would know that quite often when somebody starts to become unwell or they start to feel very strong symptoms, of discomfort, we all often wonder what happened a few years before that. And often we sort of look around three years before. So when I was 19, my father died. And when I was 22, I was diagnosed with an autoimmune condition. And, you know, at the time I didn't know any of this. I just thought, oh, now life's throwing me another terrible blow that, you know, is very difficult to get back up from. And I was just starting off in my teaching career. My first career and working with primary school children in a very tough London school, lovely school, wonderful children, amazing teachers, but it has its challenges, you know. And I didn't really realize that I was unwell. I was just struggling away day after day. And because I had that part of me that had that perfectionist tendency, you know, when you're at uni and you're sort of doing your teaching practice, you have to write down every single lesson and go through, write down huge lesson plans for every lesson during your six weeks that the teachers are watching you. And it's good practice to carry on during that time when you're training. I carried on doing that for another year. just because I thought I should do that to make sure I was doing it correctly. And that's just a tendency I have. So I would overwork myself and I would not have enough rest. And then it was challenging at school and it was, you know, quite hard, you know, just kind of being in your first job, trying to do your best, you know, as a professional and feeling a great deal of responsibility for those children who, you know, didn't have a great deal of stability in their lives. So, you know, I was the stable thing. They come to school, they see their teacher and she's always the same. She's always welcoming. She's kind, she's professional. She does her job well. And yet I was really quite unwell. So it's only when I started actually going and having investigations that we realized that there was something quite, you know, major going on. And luckily it didn't, require hospitalization or anything like that just a lot of adaptations to my life which when you're in your 20s is quite tricky because it was like well you can't wear heels anymore you can't go out dancing anymore you can't really carry very heavy bags anymore you know so that was quite a challenge um and I suppose what I realized over time is that um When I look at my clients now, I see that a lot of them have had chronic stress, they might have had some trauma, and they often have this sort of people-pleasing tendencies, perfectionism, they're too kind, which is why I wrote the book. And a lot of my clients are men. And believe it or not, there's a lot of men who fall into this way of being. And what I have seen with my own eyes is people with this sort of group of traits, if you like, they often end up with chronic illnesses or autoimmune issues. Obviously, I'm not medically trained, but this is just what I've seen over the last 12 years of my practice.

SPEAKER_02: 11:45

So it is all about awareness, isn't it? And not just self-awareness. But I said when we were talking before about even the thought of going to the doctor, you were initially putting that off because it's the fear of the unknown, isn't it? And I know obviously this opened up a life change for you, but it's brought you to where you are today. And I know there have been, I'll use the word hurdles because life does have a habit of, getting in the way when we're making plans, doesn't it? And I know obviously you've dealt with bereavement, a marriage breakdown, but it's all brought you to the world of therapy that you're in now. And you very kindly pulled together insights from your journey. But first, how did your book come about? I mean, obviously you hear so often that, oh, I really want to write a book or we're being told we should write a book. But from the woman I know, I feel this was just a natural evolution

SPEAKER_00: 12:52

for you. It was. I think you've described that really well, Kate. I think for me, I was finding that I was having lots of clients come to me with similar issues. So, you know, marketing side of me would say oh well i must be putting out something that's attracting them but i think there's an energy about it as well i think you know when you meet meet people and talk to them and they they resonate with what you're saying and they come along um obviously there was a collective version of that so lots of people were coming with this type of behavior of being too kind people pleasing um not having very good boundaries um not having robust a robust sense of themselves you know where I begin and where I end that's a boundary you know if you think about your skin that's the biggest boundary in your body it keeps everything out of you but it is waterproof but it's also permeable you know so Thinking about that, I was having lots of people coming with those similar traits, even if they were from different walks of life and might have completely different experiences. But there was a kind of common thread going through those clients. And it just came to me that there's something here that maybe we talk about empaths, but empaths are only 2% of the population, right? But when I was sort of talking to people about this, lots of people said, oh, I really resonate with that. I'm always people pleasing. I find it really hard to say no. I haven't got very good boundaries. I talk a big, a good talk, but when it comes to it, I'll just say, okay, I'll do that. You know, or if there's an awkward silence. Yeah. If there's an awkward silence, I'll just say, okay, you know, no one's volunteering. I'll put my hand up, you know, and I've been that person and yeah. To some extent, I still am doing some of those things, but now I'm doing it with choice. So I'm doing it with discernment. So when I choose to take on a task that nobody seems to want to take on or I think it's for the community and for the greater good, I'm doing it wholeheartedly. I'm not doing it because I think I should do. Or I, I, people expect me to, or, Oh, but you're the kind person. You always do it, you know, or somebody asked me and I'm just too nice to say no. Now it's, it's much more with discernment. And I think, you know, this whole thing about getting to know yourself is about understanding what makes you feel good. What makes you feel okay. It's not just about being a hedonist and saying, Oh, oh, I love partying and loud music and that's all I'm going to do and have no responsibility. This is about saying, well, you know, some things in life are just not very nice. You have to put the bins out, you know, nobody likes it, but you have to do it. But the thing about it is when you take, you know, make those choices and you're discerning, you can choose where your boundaries are or which boundaries Which parts of your life you want to play up and which parts of your life you say, well, I've done that and now I've moved on from that and it served its purpose. So I think all of that ties together getting to know yourself.

SPEAKER_02: 16:21

Which leads us beautifully and you know I love good segue into your into your three I'm thinking about putting the bins out that's tomorrow and we'll come on to action taking in a bit because I'm very much if there's something you don't want to do but you do have to do it just do it do it get it done because otherwise you can spend ages just thinking I don't want to do that no do it do it do it it's done forget about it waste energy yeah absolutely and we're talking about action in a bit but uh the first one and these are lessons that you've learned and I love this because this applies listeners even if you don't think oh no I to being too kind that's not me but we've all got elements of this conversation I think that will resonate in some way however small and Becoming our own best friend is probably the best gift we can give ourselves as a fabulous midlife woman, in my opinion. So your first lesson, however you're built and programmed, you are perfectly fine. And I love that.

SPEAKER_00: 17:36

Absolutely. I would say that, you know, we all have our natural gifts. We have our natural superpowers. Absolutely. there's there's things that they just come to you with ease you don't have to make an effort they're just as you are you know you've probably always had them since you're a tiny tiny little person and you'll have them till the end so it's really important to get to know what that is you know understand what your true natural gifts are so for me being sensitive made me who I am it comes out naturally I don't have to work to make that happen I um And, you know, if you if you're not sure, you can just ask your friends, what do people say about you? What do your friends and loved ones always say about you? Oh, this person's really blah, blah, blah, you know, and choose the positive things. Oh, you know, she's a bit messy or something. But, you know, choose the ones that you think that's a natural thing. And it's also a nice thing. And it makes me feel good about myself. I had to reframe the word sensitive because for me, it's about empathy as well. It's about, you know, feeling things deeply. But actually, sometimes it used to be quite overwhelming. But now I've learned how to switch it off, if you

SPEAKER_01: 18:55

like.

SPEAKER_00: 18:56

I've learned how to I can go very deep into it. It's quite kind of spiritual for me, or I can hold it back. because it's not always good for me to go very deep into it. So when you know yourself, you know, and you know that natural gift, you can tune in and tune out as and when you need to.

SPEAKER_02: 19:19

And that's so powerful as well, isn't it? Because you say it's all about, I know the word kind has sadly been overused, but it is very relevant here because it is listening to you, listening to how you're feeling and, And then as a friend, as you would do for a friend, treat yourself with that same respect. Honor

SPEAKER_00: 19:43

yourself. Absolutely. Absolutely. Always think about, you know, how would you speak to your best friend if she was having a hard day? You know, you would be encouraging. You'd be you'd be listening. You'd be encouraging. attentive and you'd be proactive and you'd give some gentle advice when she wants it you know but if she wants you to listen you'd listen but you definitely wouldn't tell her off and berate her and call her names so so we mustn't do that to ourselves either and

SPEAKER_02: 20:09

it's we slip into it so easily don't we and it's like no We need to stop this.

SPEAKER_00: 20:14

Yes, absolutely. No

SPEAKER_02: 20:16

shoulds. This is a matter of being kind to ourselves and listening to ourselves. And I know that beating ourselves up leads beautifully into your second point because often we beat ourselves up because we're procrastinating, because we just can't find the momentum. We can't just get that thing done that's driving us round the bend. So you've put it so succinctly. Whatever is bothering you, take action.

SPEAKER_00: 20:46

Yes. Yes. I think the first thing is work out what that is. What is it that's bothering you? Find out what that is and find out where you want to go and then make tiny action steps. It doesn't matter how small they are. You know, just... opening your eyes tomorrow morning and getting up, that's a really good step. Just make those steps clear for yourself and just have a picture of where you're going. You know, this is where I'm planning to go. This is what I'm trying to do. And then have a little breakdown of how you're going to get there, little stepping stones. And I just thought of this as we were speaking earlier about this African proverb that came to mind, which was pray and move your feet. which I love because, you know, if you just pray, you're just going to be praying. If you're just moving your feet, you're not using all parts of you. So to me, I think that's a wonderful proverb to help you. No,

SPEAKER_02: 21:45

absolutely. And again, going back to being kind, it's that whole idea, and I use this phrase, it's one of my favourites, perfectly imperfect action as well. Taking that action is a small win in itself and the wins all stack up. It doesn't have to be a mountain. The tiniest little steps, at least it's momentum, at least it is movement rather than that awful feeling of being stuck, stagnating, comfortable.

SPEAKER_00: 22:16

Yeah. And that feeling of movement, it brings that energy. And as you're going, of course, you're going to make mistakes, but you can pivot along the way. You know, it's like having a compass and a map and saying, oh, I've got to get around this mountain. I've got to get over this river, you know, but sometimes you think, well, actually, there's been an avalanche there. So we can't go that way anymore. We have to go a different way. So you pivot and you take different steps and you think about our lives. We've all had pivots on the way and different detours, which we weren't expecting. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02: 22:48

There's always talk about, oh, you know, the destination, not the journey. But I always say no, because the destination can change. And at the beginning, we don't always know exactly what destination we're aiming for. We just know we want to leave our current situation. So I do think the journey and as you say, the pivoting and taking a path, there's almost no such thing, I don't think, as the wrong path, because at least it leads somewhere and it opens up new choices. Yeah. And sometimes the path we think is going to be the right path isn't. But it's then saying, OK, this isn't right for me. Let's try something else rather than using the dreaded failure word, which is basically all that means is the plan or what we thought was going to happen didn't happen

SPEAKER_01: 23:36

and we

SPEAKER_02: 23:38

take that as a personal affront but there may be so many other things that are beyond our control so let's focus on what we can control and go for it in terms of that absolutely so this brings beautifully back to your third point and it's what I started our conversation with the most important relationship we have is the one with ourselves And you had that wonderful line. I don't know if you remember that you mentioned it. I

SPEAKER_00: 24:10

was saying, yeah, I was saying that you're there at the beginning and you'll be there at the end because, you know, along this journey, people will come and go and, you know, we'll have different relationships and we'll cross paths with people. But, you know, as long as we're sentient, we will be there at the end. And so that's the longest relationship you're ever going to have. is with yourself. So you might as well get to know yourself, get to like yourself, get to trust yourself and get to love yourself.

SPEAKER_02: 24:41

I think that's beautiful, a beautiful line. And another thing that struck me when we were chatting before is I know it can, especially now in our midlife, When so many things are changing, as we said, friendships are changing, relationships can be changing. If you've got kids, they can be moving on or finding partners. And there is, there can be that growing fear of being alone and thinking, oh my gosh, you know, my partner and I, or you haven't got a partner, you feel you should have a partner. But there's a really beautiful way as part of your life falling in love with yourself you used to go i don't know if you still do it dates with yourself and i want to know more about this because i think this is absolutely glorious

SPEAKER_00: 25:34

yes um i still do it so um some years ago when i was um newly single and struggling with that this was quite a few years ago now 20 years ago so and um i basically realized that I hadn't spent a lot of time on my own. And the time I had spent on my own, I was not very happy. So that was the time I was sitting and worrying or, you know, being upset or just feeling kind of a bit lost. And being unwell, actually, I associated it with being stressed and being ill. So it wasn't wasn't the greatest kind of time I'd had. And when I was kind of Mm-hmm. I took myself away for a few days, went and stayed in a really nice hotel. I had my journals, notebooks and, you know, books and things like that. And I just had days out every day. But I made sure I had three meals where I had to sit facing outwards in a sort of cafe or restaurant as if I was with somebody else, but sitting facing outwards into the crowd, into the room. And this is before smartphones. So I didn't. use a phone and I put away my book or my magazine. So I just had to enjoy the food and just kind of enjoy that time. You know, this is a, and I chose all the things that I wanted to eat. I didn't worry about the price or, oh, there's no point eating that on my own. I just went for it, you know? And, um, I just found that I got to understand, oh yeah, This is this is quite nice, actually, just treating myself, but in a way with with time, not with things. So rather than going out and buying something new, you know, new clothes or something for the house or something, it was more spending that time with myself. And I I definitely still do this now, but I often go for walks or spend time out in parks and things like that. And I just find it. really i get my most creative ideas when i'm on my own actually i mean i get lots of sparks of ideas when i'm with other people but they kind of synthesize when i'm on my own so all the conversations i've had all the podcasts i've listened to all of that comes together when i'm just walking out in nature or i'm just sitting by myself um and um so it's a creative kind of And it's a kind of synthesis of ideas. And I do find being outdoors really makes a difference as well. Just on the creativity side.

SPEAKER_02: 28:38

I'm sitting here nodding along because I'm exactly like that. I have conversations with myself to the point that I will actually say to Scott, my other half or my son. And they're like. I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, did I not have that conversation? I must have had the conversation with myself.

SPEAKER_00: 28:57

That one's for me. Well, I tell you, the thing that really transformed that for me was learning how to WhatsApp myself because I couldn't figure it out for ages. But I think all you have to do is you have to make a group. And then you just put new group, add yourself to the group and you're just you in the group. And then you can WhatsApp yourself. So I leave myself voice notes when I'm out walking because that's when I get all my ideas.

SPEAKER_02: 29:24

That is inspired. I just use my phone diary and it's absolutely chock-a-block. And then I forget things and I'm going to start. Oh, my goodness me. Talk about takeaways. There are so many, but that is right up there now. So I think the parting words. Yeah, the takeaway from, and thank you so much for sharing that. That's absolutely beautiful. But loving our own company and growing, because I think growing is so important. I really do. And I think you're the same. The minute we stop growing, we start stagnating. And so growing to love our own company and realising that nothing's set in stone. And we are a work in progress. Definitely. I now want to ask you three questions. And you know what's coming because I know not only you, my fabulous guest today, you listen to Midlife Unlimited as well. I do. So you know that each episode I ask my fabulous female guest the same three questions. I don't know the answers and I get rather excited. So my first question is... What is your midlife anthem? The piece of music that when you hear it, it lights you up. You think, yes, that's me.

SPEAKER_00: 30:47

So Kate, I'm actually going to give you two. So for me, my personal midlife anthem is Don't Stop Me Now by Queen. And I would say I'm a late starter. I'm sort of a late bloomer, I would say. This is my second career. I've had a full career as a teacher before. And for my clients, I would say here comes the sun by the Beatles because it's just so hopeful. And, you know, the idea of the sun coming out when you're in the middle of the clouds, I think that's a really lovely sort of thing to think when you're starting a therapy journey.

SPEAKER_02: 31:27

No, I love the saying as well that. It's still even when the clouds are there, the sun is still there behind the clouds. Definitely. So it's a really path. Oh, I've got goosebumps. I do like a goosebump. So I now want to know your second answer. What is your midlife mantra, the phrase that you live your life by?

SPEAKER_00: 31:52

I would say take time to get to know, like and love yourself and become your own best friend and take action for your own happiness.

SPEAKER_02: 32:02

And I love that because that encapsulates everything that both me and Midlife Unlimited are about because taking responsibility.

SPEAKER_00: 32:13

Definitely.

SPEAKER_02: 32:14

Yeah. So, yeah, this is on me accepting what we can't control and doing something about what we can.

SPEAKER_00: 32:22

Yes, absolutely. And if there are gaps, go and find out, have conversations, talk to people, go and get some help. You know, there's so much out there to support you. And you don't have to do

SPEAKER_02: 32:36

it alone. No. And that is such an important thing, isn't it? That's why I said at the very beginning, Midlife Unlimited is here to let you know you're not alone. We're all in this together. It's a big, messy journey. Let's make it fabulous. Together there are no limits. You know what I'm going to ask next, don't you? Your final question. There are no points awarded. There's no right or wrong answer. What is the title of your autobiography?

SPEAKER_00: 33:05

So definitely I'm going to choose the same title that I used for the song, which is Don't Stop Me Now, because again, I have spent, you know, many years just sort of fighting who I was. And eventually when I started to embrace that, it really all came together. So the last few years have been amazing, absolutely amazing for me. And so I'm just getting started. So don't stop me now. Oh,

SPEAKER_02: 33:33

I'm with you on that. I love that. Love that. Love that. Love that. Now, I know so many of the fabulous women listening are going to want to know how they can contact you. Now, I'm going to put all your details in the show notes for this episode and on the Midlife Unlimited podcast website where you have your own little guest profile. But talk me through. I think you've got something rather exciting coming up in

SPEAKER_00: 33:59

June as well, haven't you? I have I've got so I've got a number of things a number of ways you can work with me so one of them is in my two kind book club which is every month so I have a monthly book club which is an hour in an evening and we work on exercises from the book but basically it's a personal development space where I work with a small group of people and it's a really intimate and lovely way to work with people in a group setting the other thing I've got happening is I have a v on the 20th of June, and that will be in Old Street in London. So it's a full day. It's called the Authentic Connection VIP Day. It's a full day of self-care, sort of mindset work. We'll be doing sort of working on how to become your best friend, but through lots of different exercises, journaling, meditation, visualization, and... and independent work and I'll be there to guide you. So a very small group, only 10 people. So there's only 10 spaces. So yeah, there's a number of ways, but I'd love to see you, any of you in one of those

SPEAKER_02: 35:11

places. Excellent. I say we'll put your details and obviously your LinkedIn and Instagram as well. Yeah, Instagram, Facebook, all of those. Website. It'll all be in the show notes and on the website. And as for me, well, I'd love your feedback on today's episode. So it'd be fabulous if you could leave a review or you can email me or text me via the link in the show notes and come and join the Midlife Unlimited podcast Facebook group. Zena, I think you're in there, aren't you? I am indeed. Yeah. The link's in the show notes and you'll also find the website link and details of my exclusive VIP midlife metamorphosis coaching offers. So head over and have a look. So thank you so much for joining me today, Zena. You've been an absolute joy. I knew you would be, but I haven't been disappointed. You're always a joy. Thank you so much. That's all right. Thank you for listening to Midlife Unlimited. I look forward to you tuning in next week. Don't forget Midlife Unlimited has a new episode every Thursday available wherever you listen to your podcasts. So here's to being fabulous and flourishing together and to living Midlife Unlimited. Bye, Zena. Thank you so much for joining me. Bye, Kate.